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This page is designed as a space where people can post messages, ask questions, get answers, express opinions....... in short communicate!

As we don't have a Geofox Newsgroup I hope that by using email it will be possible to get an exchange of ideas and information going.

To post a message here just email me at  liddell@rsc.co.uk  and head your message Fox Forum.

Subject U.S. Distribution      30/09/98

Do I understand correctly that Geofox has closed its U.S. distribution facility?       Mark I. Wolk

All I know is that I was asked to remove all reference to the USA branch - but only told it was part of  "restructuring" ....... Does anyone else know what is going on ?      Elisabeth

 

Tom Stoneham     18/09/98

How come Stan Robins can only open one Word file at a time?  I personally had six open this morning.  I guess that he has not set his System Preferences to Open Multiple Files on Enter (as opposed to the default Shift+Enter).   

Has anyone else been reduced to such ploys!

If you lose the connection between you PC and your Fox, and have information you need to transfer, with the new Message Suite you can always email it to yourself as an attachment! It works fine with screenshots and graphics..... a Word file needs to be pasted into the email or sent as text, otherwise I'm not sure that you can open the file on the PC!

Elisabeth Liddell    18/09/98

A plea from a Geofox user in the USA      16/09/98

Hi, I am a G1 user in the US. I love my G1 too. I have a problem, but no solution yet from G1 support. Several US area codes are not recognized yet so smart dialling does not work!, I seem to work, travel or live in them all!

Laurie Jane Kern, MCSD

A response to Mark Wolk's comments of yesterday from Stan Robins

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Mark Wolk’s comments are sort of correct, but not entirely accurate. He is

right that there does not appear to be a competent text-only editor for Epoc32. It would be nice if Word could meet his needs. The features of such an editor typically would be, among others, the ability to open text files of any size (subject usually, but not necessarily, to available RAM), to show, find and replace non-printing characters, to maintain multiple open files, to insert or concatenate text files, to do line-numbering, and to count lines and characters. It should incorporate a basic macro capability and a reasonably powerful pattern-matching find and replace utility. I think you can transfer files directly to a Geofox (or Psion 5) using a flashcard disk.

Word does have some limitations that make it clumsy as a text editor. (Not to mention as a word processor.) The lack of a ruler almost disqualifies it for serious word processing right out of the gate. For some reason, the Word Open Dialog does not have any mechanism to "see" files that are not of type Word. This is just poor design planning. The result is that the user has to have a Word file open in order to import a text file. In this light, the text file viewer in Message Suite can be seen as a necessary workaround. If the user receives a text file as an attachment, there is no way to open it directly with any of the native applications. A more sophisticated solution would have been to reengineer Word to open text files directly and to enable the Message Suite emailer to launch Word as a text file attachment viewer.

The limitation in Word that only 1 document can be open at a time is a serious drawback, as is the inability to find and replace paragraph/line breaks. (And, to be a real text editor it has to be able to display, find and replace all non-printing characters.) Word makes it clumsy to show paragraph/line breaks, and has no macro capability.

I wouldn’t agree that EPOC32 is too "proprietary." That word is usually used to mean either that the OS (1) has severe limitations on 3rd party access to programming tools or essential code; or (2) that the OS is hardware platform specific. While I have seen some criticism of Psion/Symbion regarding availability of low-level code information, there is an EPOC32 Software Development Kit, and a lot of third-party development activity. Obviously, the existence of the Geofox demonstrates the willingness of Psion to license the OS for other hardware platforms that use the appropriate cpu. I think that with certain applications, particularly editors, spreadsheet software, and databases, the inability, in the alternative to open more than one file or run multiple instances of a particular application, could be a fatal flaw in the longer-term competitive outlook for the platform. I don’t know if this is an architectural limitation in EPOC32, or the result of some other limitation.

There is this rationale that handheld devices need to stay basic, simple, and focused on a essential functions. The trouble with this premise is that the greatest volume of users, regardless of what users like to say, always gravitate toward the most powerful device in any category. Moving data between documents, and toggling between open files in the same application is now a standard of usability for any sort of personal computing. WinCE/PalmPC is moving in the direction of reaching desktop PC functionality. There are degrees of such functionality, but EPOC32 is pretty far behind the curve."

Stan Robins.       9 am  15/09/98

  

Mark - replying to the replies so far     6 pm Tuesday 15/09/98

Do I understand correctly that Message Suite 1.5 is a file transfer system which would copy files from the Geofox to a PC via cable (or infrared)? If so, it defeats my purpose of using the compact flash card for all transfers (which, in my case, are confined to text files).

If my understanding is not correct and Message Suite 1.5 is a program which is used within the Geofox, then am I to understand that the text viewer (referred to in Tom Stoneham's post) is only that - a viewer, and not enabling of writing to text files?

Mark I. Wolk

 

Geofox or WinCE?

Mark I. Wolk emailed the following on the Geofox and WinCE machines - any comments?

"The Geofox is a beautiful piece of equipment.

However, both the Psion 5 and the Geofox have a deficiency which renders them impractical for my use. I have settled on WinCE machines for the following reason.

I use the devices exclusively for the writing and reading of plain vanilla text files.

It has the advantage that I can work directly off of compact flash cards and transfer files simply by inserting the compact flash card into my notebook computer and transfer files with a simple file transfer protocol. No wires from the notebook to the palm top, no transfer and conversion necessity, etc. The system has the virtue of simplicity and has worked for me for a long time.

Using and EPOC machine, however, does not facilitate this system for the reason that files must be created and read in the built in WORD program then to be exported/imported to/from text files. The result is that, before I can transfer the text files to the notebook computer, I have to go through the drill of exporting the WORD files to text files - an inconvenience not necessary on WinCE machines.

The problem with EPOC machines is that they are too complicated, too idiosyncratic and too proprietary. The history of the computer industry reveals that systems which are too proprietary have failed. Radio Shack computers are a perfect example of this. It was only after Radio Shack adopted IBM clones that they became a serious factor in the computer sales industry.

I have searched high and low for a third party text editor software package which could be used on my EPOC machines but have found none other than one which limits file size to 32K (too small - most of my files exceed 300K) and one which is not straight forward enough.

If you have any thoughts as to how to circumvent the problem which I have described, I would be interested in knowing about them.

Thanks and good luck with your new web site,"

Mark I. Wolk     14/09/98

From Tom Stoneham         14/09/98

Thank-you for creating the web-site. The Geofox certainly needs an online 'first port of call'.

. Here are two Hotkeys which are not to the best of my knowledge in the Geofox literature:

Ctrl+System will show the task list *from any view in any application* - which means that one does not need to have the toolbar visible for that purpose.

Shift+System will take you to the system screen - this is VERY useful for anyone using Purple Navigator who has set the System button to return to Navigator.

On the subject of Navigator, the file management commands in the System screen contain two bugs: if you try to copy or delete an open file (maybe it was in a sub-folder) it results in a soft reset, and if you try the same on a read only file, it will not allow you to. Since so much shareware has read only files, the latter is a real nuisance if one is uninstalling.

Navigator has neither of these problems: it offers the opportunity to switch to open files mid-operation, close them and then continue, and it prompts for confirmation before performing an operation on a read only file.

On Mark Wolk's problem, Message Suite 1.5 has a TXT file viewer, which makes things a little easier. It also has a Word 6/97 viewer, if he is interested.

Your question about the back-up battery compartment. You can buy a set of screwdrivers which includes sufficiently small cross heads from my local Homebase and just about any other DIY store. Alternatively use a spectacle screwdriver with great care.

 

Two questions from me ....

Has anyone found out where to find the tiny screwdriver we need to access the backup battery? I have tried a couple of jewellers with no success.

Has anyone else discovered that you don't always need to turn the Remote link off in order to use the modem?  It doesn't seem to harm anything, at least not so far!

 

HH01580A.gif (1311 bytes)The next section I am planning is about 3rd party shareware and freeware - if you have any ideas, or even better articles which you would like to see included in the website, do contact me.

 

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